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The Oklahoma City Bombing left 168 people dead—but Kathy Sanders says one piece of physical evidence still raises an extraordinary question: who does the unidentified leg belong to?
Eric Hunley sits down with Shadows of Conspiracy author Kathy Sanders, who lost her grandsons Chase and Colton in the 1995 bombing and spent decades investigating questions surrounding the case. Sanders explains the mysterious leg, later DNA testing, and her legal effort to obtain the DNA information.
The conversation goes much deeper: John Doe #2, the bomb squad seen downtown before the explosion, conflicting accounts involving ATF personnel, Carol Howe, Elohim City, Andreas Strassmeir, Jesse Trentadue, and evidence Sanders believes deserves further examination.
This is Kathy’s firsthand account of how grief turned into a decades-long search for answers—and why, more than 30 years later, she believes important questions surrounding Oklahoma City remain unresolved.
00:00 Oklahoma City Bombing: Opening
01:03 Kathy Sanders Joins Eric Hunley
03:29 The Bomb Squad Seen Before the Explosion
08:51 Questions About the ATF Elevator Story
10:15 ATF Agent Luke Franey and the Sanders Family
15:00 Investigating the Oklahoma City Bombing
22:30 Carol Howe, Elohim City and Andreas Strassmeir
23:12 McVeigh's Call to Elohim City
30:11 Kathy Visits Aryan Nations
35:34 Kathy's Relationship With Carol Howe
40:16 What Happened to Carol Howe?
43:28 The Unidentified Leg and the DNA Lawsuit
44:27 DNA Testing and Dr. T.K. Marshall
48:25 Why the Unidentified Leg Matters
49:15 LabCorp Tests the DNA
53:00 Who Could the Leg Belong To?
59:33 Michael Fortier and Witness Protection
01:00:20 John Doe #2 and the Eyewitnesses
01:03:47 Forgiveness vs. Accountability
01:08:05 Why Kathy Continues the Investigation
01:08:24 Final Thoughts
Further reading (Affiliate Links)
📚 Kathy’s book: Shadows of Conspiracy https://amzn.to/49BFHTS
📚 Starter companion: Blowback by Margaret Roberts https://amzn.to/4hNr02g
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